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i mean the idea that -- taxes going to go up on obama care and a bunch of other taxes kick in and cost of living going up. the pragmatic rehe action would be in an a perfect world there would be no tax increases. going to happen one way or another. your point is he should stick to principle and go over the cliff. >> that is why he got elected by his body and in his district. we kept the house. the taxing authority. we have the constitutional authority and duty to go in there and tax and spend and create that budget. also we beat up obama and rightly so for the lack of transparency in the obama care debate and we are having four people negotiate the budget. put it back into paul ryan's hands and let's lead. >> i heard paul ryan's name mentioned. of course, his office, don't look at us. we support boehner. but look, if there was some revolt, if this thing is real and people will start mentioning ryan and it builds and builds and builds, i mean would he be somebody who said no to that? >> i think he would say no very quick. he might have other plans perhapses in 2016 and running for speak
i mean the idea that -- taxes going to go up on obama care and a bunch of other taxes kick in and cost of living going up. the pragmatic rehe action would be in an a perfect world there would be no tax increases. going to happen one way or another. your point is he should stick to principle and go over the cliff. >> that is why he got elected by his body and in his district. we kept the house. the taxing authority. we have the constitutional authority and duty to go in there and tax and...
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he is going to come back with a larger plan, the obama tax cuts. then he will be able to reinstate those across-the-board sequestration cuts to gut things like defense, national institutes of health. he will be able to reinstate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say, look, i am voting for something and to restore tax cuts for the middle class. i am voting to restore the great things. and the republicans are going to be in a really tough position because no one's going to say, let's vote to restore the tax cuts for the rich. this is his game plan from day one. >> what's the alternate sniff $250,000 and above -- everything we see -- obama is not offering cuts at all. he is lock looking for spending. >> he is managing the message. so it seems like he's being conciliatory. boehner hassen a lot of heat. he has taken a ton of slack on this. he was given a tential hand of cards. but he came to the table. he tried to at least bring something to the floor. mitch mcconnell knows he is not going to be able to pass anything, any tax cuts
he is going to come back with a larger plan, the obama tax cuts. then he will be able to reinstate those across-the-board sequestration cuts to gut things like defense, national institutes of health. he will be able to reinstate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say, look, i am voting for something and to restore tax cuts for the middle class. i am voting to restore the great things. and the republicans are going to be in a really tough position because no one's going to...
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he is going to come back with a larger plan, the obama tax cuts. then he will be able to reinstate those across-the-board sequestration cuts to gut things like defense, national institutes of health. he will be able to reinstate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say, look, i am voting for something and to restore tax cuts for the middle class. i am voting to restore the great things. and the republicans are going to be in a really tough position because no one's going to say, let's vote to restore the tax cuts for the rich. this is his game plan from day one. >> what's the alternate sniff $250,000 and above -- everything we see -- obama is not offering cuts at all. he is lock looking for spending. >> he is managing the message. so it seems like he's being conciliatory. boehner hassen a lot of heat. he has taken a ton of slack on this. he was given a tential hand of cards. but he came to the table. he tried to at least bring something to the floor. mitch mcconnell knows he is not going to be able to pass anything, any tax cuts
he is going to come back with a larger plan, the obama tax cuts. then he will be able to reinstate those across-the-board sequestration cuts to gut things like defense, national institutes of health. he will be able to reinstate a lot of programs and give his caucus the opportunity to say, look, i am voting for something and to restore tax cuts for the middle class. i am voting to restore the great things. and the republicans are going to be in a really tough position because no one's going to...
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obama got to go on vacation in hawaii. >> eric: taxes revert to the bush tax cut expire and president obama says republicans look at this. tax cuts for everyone making under 250. can republicans say no to tax cut in 2013? >> andrea: it will be tough. not tougher than the p.r. battle they are fighting now. i think he wants that scenario, eric. i think obama thinks going off the cliff is a win for him so he can pass the obama tax cut and say look, i'm bringing in revenue. i lowered the deficit. pass his tax cut. a win and he can blame the g.o.p. i would argue i don't think the g.o.p. had the ball on this fight. i don't think they gave it up. i don't think they had it. it's very tough for them to win against the white house like this. and a white house press corps that is not going to report anything negative against the president. >> eric: the ball is a debt ceiling. remember, all the negotiations, tell you, i'll get to greg, they have to go through the house. money negotiations go through the house. if the house says no on raising debt ceiling they can create havoc. go ahead. >> greg:
obama got to go on vacation in hawaii. >> eric: taxes revert to the bush tax cut expire and president obama says republicans look at this. tax cuts for everyone making under 250. can republicans say no to tax cut in 2013? >> andrea: it will be tough. not tougher than the p.r. battle they are fighting now. i think he wants that scenario, eric. i think obama thinks going off the cliff is a win for him so he can pass the obama tax cut and say look, i'm bringing in revenue. i lowered...
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pass the obama tax cut and reinstate the sequester cuts to things like he likes like the national institute of health and cut the defense budget. put republicans in the corner to say you want to bring a bill to the floor? be my guest. am i right? >> bob: my, you are cynical. keep in mind, they said, boehner said he wants to go to the senate. under the constitution, you cannot start a bill on taxes in the senate. has to come from the house. there is a 48-hour limit because you have to have the house of representatives look at it. i think the deal is cut. they will get legislation and vote on it late monday night. >> andrea: do you think a deal is cut? i talk to people and they say no deal. >> eric: there is no deal. they are saying no deal. president obama coming back to d.c. to fix what he broke in the first place. two solid years to deal with it. this is a gimmick, the flying back from hawaii to do this. nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make
pass the obama tax cut and reinstate the sequester cuts to things like he likes like the national institute of health and cut the defense budget. put republicans in the corner to say you want to bring a bill to the floor? be my guest. am i right? >> bob: my, you are cynical. keep in mind, they said, boehner said he wants to go to the senate. under the constitution, you cannot start a bill on taxes in the senate. has to come from the house. there is a 48-hour limit because you have to have...
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obama got to go on vacation in hawaii. >> eric: taxes revert to the bush tax cut expire and president obama says republicans look at this. tax cuts for everyone making under 250. can republicans say no to tax cut in 2013? >> andrea: it will be tough. not tougher than the p.r. battle they are fighting now. i think he wants that scenario, eric. i think obama thinks going off the cliff is a win for him so he can pass the obama tax cut and say look, i'm bringing in revenue. i lowered the deficit. pass his tax cut. a win and he can blame the g.o.p. i would argue i don't think the g.o.p. had the ball on this fight. i don't think they gave it up. i don't think they had it. it's very tough for them to win against the white house like this. and a white house press corps that is not going to report anything negative against the president. >> eric: the ball is a debt ceiling. remember, all the negotiations, tell you, i'll get to greg, they have to go through the house. money negotiations go through the house. if the house says no on raising debt ceiling they can create havoc. go ahead. >> greg:
obama got to go on vacation in hawaii. >> eric: taxes revert to the bush tax cut expire and president obama says republicans look at this. tax cuts for everyone making under 250. can republicans say no to tax cut in 2013? >> andrea: it will be tough. not tougher than the p.r. battle they are fighting now. i think he wants that scenario, eric. i think obama thinks going off the cliff is a win for him so he can pass the obama tax cut and say look, i'm bringing in revenue. i lowered...
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i'm going to call them obama tax cuts. will runs say no to voting for a tax cut? >> well, the interesting question is of course what this comes with. we're at the beginning of a conversation not at the end of a conversation. because we have to decide what to do with the bush tax cuts. that's one thing. we have to decide to do -- what to do with a trillion dollar of obamacare tax increases. very few people are talking about this but there's a trillion dollars of tax increases obamand ad demonstration passed before the last election and 90% of those hikes were delayed until after the president got himself reelected. then we have massive spending, $8 trillion in debt that obama's running up the next decade. republicans have several tools. right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask y
i'm going to call them obama tax cuts. will runs say no to voting for a tax cut? >> well, the interesting question is of course what this comes with. we're at the beginning of a conversation not at the end of a conversation. because we have to decide what to do with the bush tax cuts. that's one thing. we have to decide to do -- what to do with a trillion dollar of obamacare tax increases. very few people are talking about this but there's a trillion dollars of tax increases obamand ad...
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health care tax. the only thing you left out of that wrap is just like greece. >> the first time an attorney general to be held in contempt. >> and the vote that the house republicans want is a political vote. >> they played a bad hand, right now it's going to be a witch hunt. if you get more then it becomes intervention. >> the water has just now breached over the sand dunes. >> hurricane sandy a superstorm meteorologists are calling a once in a lifetime occurrence. the whole coast is devastated. >> the number of ambulances to move these children is remarkable. >> and lost homes in many forms-- ♪ ♪ >> andrew breitbart died this morning, he was 43. he was a publisher, an activist and a commentator, but that says almost nothing about this force of nature. he was a big kid who treated his opponents like humans. it was never about people, it was always, always about principles. . >> the u.s. has just evacuated all personnel from benghazi to tripoli. >> this was something that was a concerted effort,
health care tax. the only thing you left out of that wrap is just like greece. >> the first time an attorney general to be held in contempt. >> and the vote that the house republicans want is a political vote. >> they played a bad hand, right now it's going to be a witch hunt. if you get more then it becomes intervention. >> the water has just now breached over the sand dunes. >> hurricane sandy a superstorm meteorologists are calling a once in a lifetime...
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spent all of the time arguing over taxes and now in the end obama is going to basically get everything he wants and the republicans will be left with almost nothing. >> chris: senator bayh? >> the president will get what he wants but as you pointed out previously and the previous panel pointed out it doesn't solve the problem. just raising taxes on the wealthy doesn't solve the debt problem. people will pivot and start focusing on that and as we approach the debt ceiling as we saw two years ago the republicans have more leverage. why? because at that point the president will be requesting to borrow another $2 trillion or $3 trillion and that doesn't poll well with the american people that is why the republicans have a stronger and then. at the have taken a step back here and conceded on tax rates but to focus a little later in two months on entitle month reform. >> chris: he has been saying it is a bad habit and we will not get into the habit of trading, you know, a trillion dollars increase in the debt limit for a trillion dollars in spending cuts. who is bluffing? kirsten says she th
spent all of the time arguing over taxes and now in the end obama is going to basically get everything he wants and the republicans will be left with almost nothing. >> chris: senator bayh? >> the president will get what he wants but as you pointed out previously and the previous panel pointed out it doesn't solve the problem. just raising taxes on the wealthy doesn't solve the debt problem. people will pivot and start focusing on that and as we approach the debt ceiling as we saw...
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and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff, you guys pass the bill, harry reid could do something he hasn't done in over three years, pass it in the senate, give it to the president, and nobody's taxes are going to go up, crisis averred and then they can spend team after the new year negotiating tax reform, entitlement reform, living within our means. why don't they just do that? >> well, they could, but they want to demonize the house. they want to pontiff indicate without actually doing anything in the way of legislating. sean, if you look back at the history, the deficit ceiling bill back a y
and don't forget, these are the bush-obama tax cuts. all the president needs to do is actually propose some spending cuts. i think with geithner's admission that the debt ceiling will be burst through on december 31st clearly shows it's a problem. it's time to cut spending, not for now but future generations that have to pay this off. >> it seems to me, congressman gohmert, the bush tax cuts have been law since 2001-2003. it seems if the president doesn't want to go over the fiscal cliff,...
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cuts and president obama campaigned and sounds like, 400,000 may be where they're heading. a leader says that permanency is key, and fixing the death tax and a permanent solution for the alternative minimum tax which threatens 28 million americans every year, would also help win republican support, heather. >> mike emanuel reporting from washington with the latest, thank you, mike. >> kelly: heather and mike, thank you very much. and president obama trying to light a fire under congressional lawmakers, urging them to come up with a deal after friday's bipartisan white house summit. >> we're now at the last minute. and the the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> kelly: so the question becomes, why can't washington seem to work this out? why has it taken so long when they knew they had this fiscal cliff coming to them? joining me now for a fair and balanced debate on the topic, angela mcglowan is with us, and mark hanna, a strategist and former aide to the john kerry and barack obama campaigns. thank you
cuts and president obama campaigned and sounds like, 400,000 may be where they're heading. a leader says that permanency is key, and fixing the death tax and a permanent solution for the alternative minimum tax which threatens 28 million americans every year, would also help win republican support, heather. >> mike emanuel reporting from washington with the latest, thank you, mike. >> kelly: heather and mike, thank you very much. and president obama trying to light a fire under...
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five new taxes due to obama care will start going into effect. they impact everything from healthcare costs to the cost of medical devices. the congressional budget office says americans will end up paying $1 million. the deadly attack in benghazi was tearrism. cia and other government agencies that made changes to the talking points on the attack not the white house. following the attack u.n. ambassador susan rice says they used the talking points may have been a spontaneous protest that got out of hand. >>> netflix users can now share every movie they have err watched with facebook plans. congress passed a bill allowing netflix and other video streaming sites to share viewing history. users will have the opportunity to opt in or out of the social sharing feature. >>> colorado had the first recreational pot club. months after it became legal private members only clubs popped up all over the state. it prohibits public smoke sgug include private clubs. they have an admission fee of $30 and they have to bring their own pot. >>> countries all around
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hike january 1, cuts, gives back $3 trillion of it and the bush tax cuts then become the obama tax cuts and he seems like the guy that is the tax cutter in all of this and this is a strategy, a plan from the very beginning. >> i don't think that is going to happen. i think the key is whether boehner uses the hastert bill which was to never put a bill forward that the majority in the party is not going to vote for. if he will put the hastert rule aside and give republicans a path to vote no that allows the president and the democrats to add their votes where the minority of republicans to pass this thing and i think bill cunningham is right about how this may well play out. i don't think the president want -- the president does not want to go over the cliff. the last thing he needs right now is to -- is to risk going into a second recession. the first one he can blame on push and democrats and i'm there with him. the second one will be his and on his watch. >> sean: there has been a bill in the united states senate that extends the bush tax cuts for everybody and he could at least -- the
hike january 1, cuts, gives back $3 trillion of it and the bush tax cuts then become the obama tax cuts and he seems like the guy that is the tax cutter in all of this and this is a strategy, a plan from the very beginning. >> i don't think that is going to happen. i think the key is whether boehner uses the hastert bill which was to never put a bill forward that the majority in the party is not going to vote for. if he will put the hastert rule aside and give republicans a path to vote...
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so now they squabble the tax hikes but now is time for president obama to be talking about raises in washington. who is going to get a bump in pay. new reports that secretary of state hillary clinton is returning after three weeks from recovering from a virus. now she is set to testify on the terror attack in libya that left four americans dead. the question that she will face when she goes to the hill. we'll talk about it. [ malennouncer ] it's tt time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all youeed is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis sympto. but if you have arthritis,
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because nobody knows what will happen, obama care taxes are kicking in next year, unavoidable. a whole host of other taxes are i can cking in that are unavoidable. to plan for even something worse is difficult right now when you really don't know what other taxes are coming. that's the real problem. we don't know what else is in store. the other thing is, one of the other problems with the president is his economic literacy has never been very high. i think that scares -- >> what do you mean by that, his economic literacy? i mean i think i know, but i just want to -- >> lits -- listen, the president is a smart man. he wept to some good colleges, but when it comes to the economy, listen. much makes no sense. i'm talking democrat, republican, he says stuff -- this is just based on what he says, what he says affects prices. what he says about the need to raise taxes on the upper income like that will be good for the economy. that will not be good for the economy. if you are making 250 and you are a small business you are employing people and paying taxes and workers compensation i
because nobody knows what will happen, obama care taxes are kicking in next year, unavoidable. a whole host of other taxes are i can cking in that are unavoidable. to plan for even something worse is difficult right now when you really don't know what other taxes are coming. that's the real problem. we don't know what else is in store. the other thing is, one of the other problems with the president is his economic literacy has never been very high. i think that scares -- >> what do you...
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lucky him. >> and if the bush tax cuts expire and president obama says, hey, republicans, look at this, tax cuts for everyone making under 250, can republicans say no to a tax cut in 2015? >> it will be tough but not tougher than the pr battles he's fighting right now. i think he wants that scenario. i think obama thinks going off the click is a win for him. he can say i am bringing in revenue, i am lowering the deficit. and he can still blame the gop when their tacks go up. i don't think the grass pollen had the ball in this fight. i don't think they gave it up, i don't think they ever had it. it's tough for them to win against a white house like this and a white house press core that's not going to report anything negative against the president. >> there's a ball and the ball is the debt ceiling. all these things, i will get to craig, but have to go through the house. the money negotiations have to go through the house. if the house says no on raising the debt ceiling, they can create a lot of havoc. go ahead, greg. >> you know what? i don't care anymore. >> oh, okay. >> because as a
lucky him. >> and if the bush tax cuts expire and president obama says, hey, republicans, look at this, tax cuts for everyone making under 250, can republicans say no to a tax cut in 2015? >> it will be tough but not tougher than the pr battles he's fighting right now. i think he wants that scenario. i think obama thinks going off the click is a win for him. he can say i am bringing in revenue, i am lowering the deficit. and he can still blame the gop when their tacks go up. i don't...
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cuts, but obama tax goes into effect as well. the cap gains rate will go up 58% and this is going to lose revenue rather than gain revenue just as it has in the past. similarly, the tax increase on dividends. if the bush tax cut expires, along with the obamacare tax increase, the tax rate on dividends is going to increase -- actually triple. when bush cut the tax rate on dividends, dividends pay soared and so did the taxes napad on them as a result. if you reverse that tax cut and put the obamacare tax on top, dividends are going to collapse and so are the revenues that government will collect from the dividends. you'll have a similar result as you had in 1990 where they increased rather than declined. >> clayton: do we not learn from our history? this seems like it's just repeating all over again. politicians aren't aware of their history here and what we could go through again. we know what 1991 and 1992 looked like with that recession. it was hard. >> the tax increases we're talking about now are much bigger than in 1990 and t
cuts, but obama tax goes into effect as well. the cap gains rate will go up 58% and this is going to lose revenue rather than gain revenue just as it has in the past. similarly, the tax increase on dividends. if the bush tax cut expires, along with the obamacare tax increase, the tax rate on dividends is going to increase -- actually triple. when bush cut the tax rate on dividends, dividends pay soared and so did the taxes napad on them as a result. if you reverse that tax cut and put the...
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. >> it shouldn't be obamacare but obama healthcare tax. >> too broad of federal power. >> you left out of that rant "just like greece." >> the first time for attorney general to be held in contempt. >> this is issa with a political move. >> this will be a witch hunt. if you get more it's an intervention. >> the water just now breaching over the sand dunes. >> hurricane sandy, superstorm that meteorologists call a once in a lifetime occurrence. >> the whole coast has been devastated. >> the number of ambulances for people who showed up to move the children is remarkable. >> the loss is emotional and memories. loss comes in many forms. ♪ ♪ notice ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greg: andrew breitbart died this morning at 43. publisher, activist and commentator. but that says nothing about this force of nature. he was a big kid who treated his opponents like humans. never about people. it was always about principles. >> the u.s. has just evacuated all personnel from benghazi to tripoli. >> this was a concerted effort, well organized. heavily armed. >> the american president and secretary of state
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which i would say should be exact replica that you pass obama cut, pure tax cut, as we went over the cliff. do it on income tax, capital gains. you are saying we'll introduce the cut thursday. clean bill. none of the other stuff in it, like the wind power credit and all of this other stimulus junk. that would be what theteams are demanding. give it to them on monday. -- thursday, it will be a pure tax cut. >> by the time you get there, you have a market retook whatever is happening in washington. the asian markets open in 15 minutes. tomorrow market reacting to the past couple of days. steve, what about the premise they don't go forward with amending it. they pass it. all democratic votes and 40, 50 republican votes. >> that is probably the most likely outcome at this point unless they get to 218. it doesn't make sense to do this. the time to have had the fight over the substance in my view was in the past. i don't understand why there wasn't more coordination between the leaders in the house and senate on the republican side to get away from this. if you want to distance yourself, t
which i would say should be exact replica that you pass obama cut, pure tax cut, as we went over the cliff. do it on income tax, capital gains. you are saying we'll introduce the cut thursday. clean bill. none of the other stuff in it, like the wind power credit and all of this other stimulus junk. that would be what theteams are demanding. give it to them on monday. -- thursday, it will be a pure tax cut. >> by the time you get there, you have a market retook whatever is happening in...
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changing the tax congress passed to declare obama care constitutional which is a littleec scary that the highest justice is -- justices in the land would take the activist roll. that's what is scary. the backdrop of the presidential year was europe. we know where this path leads. all this turmoil, the huge welfare and the low productivity and high unemployment that comes along with them, that was the backdrop of the presidential campaign. voters voted, and they said, yes, we are going to keep moving in that direction, kim. where do you think the electorat is here? is it be ibd hue the choices that -- is it behind the choices that jason suggested they might be? >> barack obamaus won this election by very effectively making this a referendum about his opponent, mitt romney. if you went out and asked most americans, do you think barack obama did a great job in his first term? do you want significantly higher taxes? do you want the government to do nothing about spending? are you happy with obama care? most would say no. but in the end the choice was between a president who said things a
changing the tax congress passed to declare obama care constitutional which is a littleec scary that the highest justice is -- justices in the land would take the activist roll. that's what is scary. the backdrop of the presidential year was europe. we know where this path leads. all this turmoil, the huge welfare and the low productivity and high unemployment that comes along with them, that was the backdrop of the presidential campaign. voters voted, and they said, yes, we are going to keep...
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i think in terms of taxes this is probably obama's high water mark. >> bret: it just seems like this is taking a long time for this caucus meeting particularly if all of the signals that were going out to all of the news organizations and all of the statements being made was that the deal is done and we have a deal, a very ecstatic looking vice president biden walking past reporters saying happy new year. you know, it seems like there could be some trouble here even on the senate side before you even get past the hurdle of the house. >> you know, that is absolutely true. i think there is no question and we saw this actually earlier today even as the outlines were taking shape a number of democratic senators came to the senate floor and talked badly said this is not a bill that they would have signed and some even so far to say look this is not a deal we should accept and then tom thought we should go over the fiscal cliff and start from the standpoint when rates have gone up everywhere and then start and deal with rates after you have all of the new revenue coming in and sort of star
i think in terms of taxes this is probably obama's high water mark. >> bret: it just seems like this is taking a long time for this caucus meeting particularly if all of the signals that were going out to all of the news organizations and all of the statements being made was that the deal is done and we have a deal, a very ecstatic looking vice president biden walking past reporters saying happy new year. you know, it seems like there could be some trouble here even on the senate side...
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then it becomes voting against the obama tax cuts. that was the scenarios rinse were afraid of. >> steve: it looks like a republicans say it's a done deal, we'll have to raise taxes on the most successful. but we will live to fight another day. that day is when the debt ceiling comes up in a couple of months and the sequestration thing, they kicked it down -- two months! so the republicans think, okay. when we get down to the talk about spending, we're going to be big winners. >> they knew that raising taxes on the wealthy polled badly for them. that most americans were in favor of that. we're not on the winning side. they got that off the table and said, we'll win the debt fight. i say to them, well, won't the press just kill you for being the people who would drive the country to the very risk of default in favor of -- to save your spending cuts, which aren't popular in the first place. they feel they can win that fight. i'm a little skeptical. >> brian: in the big picture, if someone told that you there will be a democratic preside
then it becomes voting against the obama tax cuts. that was the scenarios rinse were afraid of. >> steve: it looks like a republicans say it's a done deal, we'll have to raise taxes on the most successful. but we will live to fight another day. that day is when the debt ceiling comes up in a couple of months and the sequestration thing, they kicked it down -- two months! so the republicans think, okay. when we get down to the talk about spending, we're going to be big winners. >>...
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obama starting the warfare about taxing the rich. reid sat on the bill. why didn't he bring it up for a vote? why didn't it get fair debate? mr. reid hasn't passed a budget and we going to believe they're serious about the fiscal problems? let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner, mcconnell, pelosi and reid will come out of. let's talk about the deal. what if there's a deal, craig, for, i don't know, say 4 hr $500,000 the threshold of who gets taxes and who keeps -- everybody under that number keeps their tax cuts. everyone over pays more and there's spending cuts. is that a bad deal? >> yeah. i think it is. let me tell you why. because you can't get everything out of this deal that you want and frankly, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly
obama starting the warfare about taxing the rich. reid sat on the bill. why didn't he bring it up for a vote? why didn't it get fair debate? mr. reid hasn't passed a budget and we going to believe they're serious about the fiscal problems? let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner,...
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the stripped down obama plan? >> i would go for what the speaker tried to do late last week and try to get the number up from $250,000. yes, there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthy. i would try to protect investments as much as possible. do the amt patch. have a reasonable deal on estate taxes. i'm a squish on this. got to make the best of a bad situation. i think what will happen incidentally is republicans will be faced on monday, on december 31 with having to vote on a much worse proposal than the one they didn't give speaker boehner the majority for. >> chris: the plan b. >> harry reid will pass through the senate on thursday or friday a tax hike on everyone over $250,000 and republicans will have the joyc choice on m, letting it come to a vote. i think the speaker probably has to. b, will they lose 20 or 30 republicans to join the democrats to pass this or not. i think it is a worse outcome but that is what happens when republicans decided they would just be ob cit obstinate and no along with the s
the stripped down obama plan? >> i would go for what the speaker tried to do late last week and try to get the number up from $250,000. yes, there is going to be a tax increase on the wealthy. i would try to protect investments as much as possible. do the amt patch. have a reasonable deal on estate taxes. i'm a squish on this. got to make the best of a bad situation. i think what will happen incidentally is republicans will be faced on monday, on december 31 with having to vote on a much...
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he wants to raise tax for people with over $200,000 . patti murray tipped the president's hand when she said it is okay to go off the fiscal cliff . we get credit when we cut taxing back to the level they were before the cliff . it is it a political issue for them to attain their goalings. >> dave: some suggest that the president will be okay to go off the fiscal cliff . the president doesn't want sequestitration to go in into affect. hope they work it out. thank you for joining us from dc. coming up. unbelievably video of a plane crashed on a busy highway . we now know what likely caused the deadly crash . go ahead and down that champagne in the new year's bash. but what you can do today to make sure you don't have a hang over tomorrow. may attention. there's the sign to the bullpen. here he comes. you wouldn't want your doctor doing your job, the pitch! whoa! so why are you doing his? only yr doctor can determine if your persistent heartburn is actually something more serious like acid reflux disease. over time, stomach acid can damage
he wants to raise tax for people with over $200,000 . patti murray tipped the president's hand when she said it is okay to go off the fiscal cliff . we get credit when we cut taxing back to the level they were before the cliff . it is it a political issue for them to attain their goalings. >> dave: some suggest that the president will be okay to go off the fiscal cliff . the president doesn't want sequestitration to go in into affect. hope they work it out. thank you for joining us from...
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higher tax rate. john boehner floated a plan that would have kept low rates for those making up to a million dollars. two house members talked to us earlier today about where the tax issue is likely heading. >> the $400,000 level seems to me to be about right. that represents about the top 1% of income earners in the country. we need to save tax hikes on as many americans as we can. i kind of feel like i'm a life guard and we got to save as many people from crown not guilty higher taxes as we can. >> the challenge is finding the right figure to win some republican support in the senate and attract enough votes to pass the house. kelly. >> kelly: interesting comment right there, feeling like a life guard. many people are wondering if they're going to do that on capitol hill. thanks so much. going to be an interesting new year. watch fox sunday tomorrow. chris wallace talks with lindsey graham and nine fine stein. check your -- diane feinstein. >> heather: new york city police have a woman in custody wh
higher tax rate. john boehner floated a plan that would have kept low rates for those making up to a million dollars. two house members talked to us earlier today about where the tax issue is likely heading. >> the $400,000 level seems to me to be about right. that represents about the top 1% of income earners in the country. we need to save tax hikes on as many americans as we can. i kind of feel like i'm a life guard and we got to save as many people from crown not guilty higher taxes...
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and the bush tax rates will be replaced by the obama tax rates. so he knows he's in a better position than they are. the question is as the clock ticks down and markets become anxious and capital becomes scarce and people are worried about what's going to happen out there, that the president has to think as much as he'd be better off then -- and, certainly, senator barrasso makes a good point about that -- the president's going to have some gut-check moments while he's out on the golf course and looking at the blue pacific, he's going to have to think can his second-term presidency really begin in the midst of a recession, and is he going to be okay with that? gregg: all right, so the clock is ticking, but there's another clock we're keeping a close eye on. i mean, we're talking about the debt clock. look at that, $16.3 trillion and growing second by second. and the president instead of focusing on cuts, he actually demanded even more spending, new stimulus, additional spending. maybe he doesn't think that $16 trillion is a real problem even thoug
and the bush tax rates will be replaced by the obama tax rates. so he knows he's in a better position than they are. the question is as the clock ticks down and markets become anxious and capital becomes scarce and people are worried about what's going to happen out there, that the president has to think as much as he'd be better off then -- and, certainly, senator barrasso makes a good point about that -- the president's going to have some gut-check moments while he's out on the golf course...
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. >> what president obama says about raising taxes. >> i am just listening to the consensus among people who know the economy best. and what they will say is that if you either increase taxes or significantly lower spending when the economies remain some what fragile it would have a de simulated effect and potentially you see a lot of folks losing business, more folks potentially losing jobs that would be a mistake when the economy has not fully taken off. >>> with me is wall street journal senior economics writer receive moore. has the president changed his mind? >> i love that quote that you have shown. i think it was almost exactly two years ago when the president said that. he said the economy was too fragile for a tax increase. the economy is more fragile now than it was two years ago. if the president were to make an announcement tonight and be a real statesman we are at a deadlock here, we can't reach an agreement, i am going to agree for the good of the country and good of the economy to extend the tax cuts for everybody for 6 months until we get this resolved we wouldn't be talk
. >> what president obama says about raising taxes. >> i am just listening to the consensus among people who know the economy best. and what they will say is that if you either increase taxes or significantly lower spending when the economies remain some what fragile it would have a de simulated effect and potentially you see a lot of folks losing business, more folks potentially losing jobs that would be a mistake when the economy has not fully taken off. >>> with me is...
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the wealthy and job creators. >> juliet: president obama continues to push for tax hikes on the rich. and france lost a bid to raise taxes and he want today raise to 75%. now, there weren't a lot of people he was focused on, really not that much money, he was going to raise, but the fact is he wanted the french judicial council, however, said it would have been excessive and unconstitutional. joining us-- >> sorry, dave. >> dave: and for tax foundation from the heritage foundation. >> juliet: good morning, curtis. >> good morning. >> dave: what's the deal here, the decision made is not unconstitutional, but bottom line, bad for the economy? i think we can learn from this? >> that's right, the court has bailed them out. and the tax increase, 75% rate was going to really damage the french economy. the french economy's already strugglingling and adding on the economy would be worse. >> i'm looking at it, expected to be a temporary two year measure and affect 1500 people and raise less than 661 million dollars. >> but the revenue we brought in, and what it would have done, it would have
the wealthy and job creators. >> juliet: president obama continues to push for tax hikes on the rich. and france lost a bid to raise taxes and he want today raise to 75%. now, there weren't a lot of people he was focused on, really not that much money, he was going to raise, but the fact is he wanted the french judicial council, however, said it would have been excessive and unconstitutional. joining us-- >> sorry, dave. >> dave: and for tax foundation from the heritage...
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no matter how much you tax the workers. yet, the obama administration and the democratic party continue to put forth that higher taxation will bring the massive government debt under control. perhaps the only democrat telling the truth about this is our old pal, howard dean, the uber liberal former governor of vermont. >> the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start, but we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes across the board. >> bill: now, governor dean sympathizes with the socialist philosophy and that's where the country is heading. taking from those who are productive and giving to those who are struggling. or who are working for the massive government apparatus. during this christmas season, i think we all should emulate officer deprimo, we should try to help those in need, but that help may be futile, if the government doesn't wise up and stop the incredible entitlement spending, america's economy will eventually collapse. president obama need
no matter how much you tax the workers. yet, the obama administration and the democratic party continue to put forth that higher taxation will bring the massive government debt under control. perhaps the only democrat telling the truth about this is our old pal, howard dean, the uber liberal former governor of vermont. >> the truth is everybody needs to pay more taxes, not just the rich. that's a good start, but we're not going to get out of this deficit problem unless we raise taxes...
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b which fell apart on speaker john boehner last week, now we're basically on plan c which president obama says would be dealing with short-term issues like two million people who are losingen employment benefits in a week, dealing with the tax issue as you say. he wants to go back to the threshold of 250,000 or more taxes go up, 250 or lower, taxes stay at the bush rates, the lower rates. but in a short-term deal like that, the president said last friday that spending cuts would come later next year at some point, and republicans like speaker boehner are saying if taxes are going up on some, they don't want to just have more revenue coming into the government to spend it on other programs. now, before heading back tonight, as you noted, the president went through with a christmas tradition when he comes out here to hawaii for the holidays. he and the first lady went to visit some troops at a u.s. marine base here, and he had a very simple, direct message. take a listen. >> so we know that it's not easy, but what we also want you to know is that you have the entire country behind you, and
b which fell apart on speaker john boehner last week, now we're basically on plan c which president obama says would be dealing with short-term issues like two million people who are losingen employment benefits in a week, dealing with the tax issue as you say. he wants to go back to the threshold of 250,000 or more taxes go up, 250 or lower, taxes stay at the bush rates, the lower rates. but in a short-term deal like that, the president said last friday that spending cuts would come later next...